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demonstrations tomorrow? we'll be talking with fox news middle east expert while ferris in washington institute fellow eric trager, and president obama back on the campaign trail continuing to successfully dress up his ultimatum on higher taxes as a republican decision rather than his own declaration. his staff organized a sit-down with a middle class family today in virginia claiming congress is to blame p they fail to yield to his ultimatum. why is the mainstream liberal media ignoring the reality it's the president's ultimatum driving us to the fiscal cliff? chris and senior writer for the weekly standard, steven hayes the guests here tonight. we begin with the dictator trying to maintain command of the country using chemical weapons as a deterrent. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen has the latest for us in this report. >> a regime helicopter captured in the skies in syria in a video unloads something, most likely, a defensive flair to detour antirebel runners, but that epitomizes the fear of which the serian people now live. rebel forces taking the flight to the assad regi
in washington today. a little bit of news that came from an unexpected source. bob woodward got his hands on an audio recording of the top commanding general in afghanistan meeting off the record with a fox news analyst. the meeting took place last spring. it was general david petraeus who was at the time commander of all u.s. forces in the war in afghanistan. and on the tape, fox news analyst says that she was asked by her boss, by the chairman of fox news to pass along some very specific advice for general petraeus. >> if you're offered chairman, take it. if you're offered anything else, don't take it. resign in six months and run for president. okay? and i know you're not running for president, but at some point when you go to new york next, you may want to just chat with roger. i just say what i have suggested and that we've discussed is next time you go to new york you're going to stop by and see him? >> yeah. i'd be happy. i haven't seen him in awhile. he's a brilliant guy. >> he's simply brilliant. >> he is. tell him if i ever ran, but i won't. but if i ever ran, i'd take him up on
in washington yesterday from all over the country. i said i will give any of your million bucks if you get some new what the republican message was in 2006. i kept my money. i give you a dollar if you continue with the republican message was in 2010. all about puuhing back against excessive interests of expansive expensive government over reached in the guise of tarp and stimulus and obamacare. here we are again. they know who they are. >> a party of social issues cannot make its of a party of economics. they are completely stuck in the middle, and obama holds the cards. if they take the wrong but they lose and if they take the right pose the lose. of their patriotic into what is right they lose. very difficult position to be in >> but you are admitting that this is about tactics. [talking over each other] >> i am not a brain surgeon. i am a political person. that's what i do. lou: i love it when you are modest. >> modesty becomes you. this is where i think republicans have an opportunity to lead. they need to be clear, concise, and say -- lou: if i made, who in the republican party is capable
that reflects conservative ideas. match that with the researchers in washington that to the policy work for heritage. connell: i think a lot of people will hear or read about this today and think about the conversation we have been having about the future of the republican party. does the tea party still have, you know, lindsey graham just put a statement out saying he is very disappointed that demint is leaving. the conservative movement lost a strong voice. he will do a great job at heritage. is this part of that story? >> i think senator demint believes that the republican message going into the election was a strong one. it just simply was not well articulated. i agree with senator demint. i do not believe that the republican party has to transform its position and become more moderate. take an idea like economic growth. the difference between 2% growth and 3.5% is a different like night and day. senator demint told me he started his career as a market researcher and advertising. he knows how to communicate with people. he became very frustrated sitting in the senate failing to do a
plan ta raise a lot of taxes. >> ihink they are allll pathetic losers, they make washington, d.c. look lik choir boys, i am shocked. in record time, turning to this guy who cald him every name in the boo dirty rotten scoundrels of wall street, n ey are playing ft ftse i is grossndreepy. neil: i did not think that losing your backbone was one of them. >> i am becoming comfortable here, this week charlie calling out wa street, good job, last week you hung a hamme and is a sickle on dee-dee. >> did. neil: do you find it odd that wall street that opposed him on every single pha of his agenda. >> not every phase. neil please. >> now, y hav to beepulled by that. >> i am pleased by their decision it ishat it is. neil: no, i think we have discussed this elections and i know we set againstaising taxes but,f that is the consequence of election for a presidt w campaigned hikin on the back of the rich, i don't like it but, to fold. >> this is a hypocrisy level, thee say this is the right thing too, but who gets crushed on the higher taxes? small businesses. i don't care what anyone said, president
out and concede on the revenue side. does washington need more revenue? yeah it does, looking at overall percentage of money of revenues that come in to federal government, than what has been average since world war ii, we're below that the argument should be, yeah, we need more revenue, but the question is, how do republicans historically, how do we argue, for more revenue? growth. we need more growth, if we have more growth, highest revenues we had in history of the -- since world war ii was 21 or 22% of gdp, what happened? tech boom, huge capital gains and start ups, and that is how we got revenue, it was not by raising taxes that is an argument weave with principle made and have been correct in making it. to now say, well, you know, president won and we have to concede that point. i'm not saying there can't be tax refor. but that should be an ending point not a starting point. neil: does it bother you that mitt romney's runng mate, budget committee chief paul ryan is going along with this deal. >> it is his budget. he is the -- >> he has been bed in a corner. >> governing
there to me, peter. >> that is right. the housing secretary cannot rule it out. washington is certainly closer to one after the latest audit of the fha fund has a capital reserve shortfall of $16.3 billion. the administration says it is too soon to say whether the fha will need treasury funding. >> can you assure us and the american people today as the secretary of hud and fha will not do that, or you don't know yet? >> senator, i wish i had a crystal ball and i could tell you we won't at the end of the year given the reports. obviously i am highly concerned about that possibility. >> to avoid a bailout agency is increasing fees and making other reforms. the administration says it will signal its intentions on the treasury bailout when it releases the 2014 budget in february and will actually decide to pull the trigger or not next september. lori: okay, peter, thank you. all of this heated discussion debate dying down by then. melissa: think your kid has what it takes to be the next oracle of omaha? lori: and he still go green and make a lot of paper? next. want to try to crack it? yeah, that'
erywhere. i have been keeping my own money and nice list for washington. visiting towns like this. >> president obama got his wish rather than negotiating with republicans he was simmering them back on the campaign trail at a factory in pennsylvania that makes angry birds toys. >> it's not acceptable to me, and i don't think it's acceptable to you for and full of republicans in congress told middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> within minutes the speaker fired back that the talks are now on le support. >> there is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. >> replan the president for sending treasury secretary to capitol hill with a proposal that led senatrepublican leader to literally burst out laughing. >> the white house took three weeks to respond with any kind of a proposal. much to my disappointment it as not a serious one. >> the president campaigns on $800 -- 800 billion in tax increases by ending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, but is now proposing. adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the whit
. that is incredible. not right. >>guest: it is not right. when i saw that, cuomo is coming to washington, and you showed the capitol you should have dollar bills coming out of the window because when the governors come to washington they want money with their palms up. that is what governor cuomo wants. he wants the federal government to write a big check to the state. we found with katrina, of the $140 billion, according to independent government auditors, there was rampant corruption and fraud and no bid contracts that went to cronies and we estimate that somewhere between 20 percent to 25 percent to 30 percent of the money was wasted on fraudulent contracts. it didn't helps victims. a lot of people got rich but it wasn't the people who lost their homes. >>neil: you can see money for a variety of purposes, the money coming in, helping the victims, helping sandy victims now, but it goes through a variety of nefarious purposes and could fill a hole in the budget. where is the backup to look at making sure this money is going for the pups to which it is intended? >>guest: this is the frustration a
opportunity to mitigate what they have in washington. >> well, i think what he is doing is looking at -- he is missing the point. the tea party activists are reminding the candidates in the republican party, who eventually do get embraced -- when you are like us you win. when you are like them, you lose. it has been going on for yeas. those who say when you stand on the principles of small government and individual liberty, fiscal responsibility, you are attracted to a wider range of voters. >> i have to jump in here. because we have this discussion in december 2010. a lot of people say that a lot of things have changed and americans are voting back. maybe the republicans should work be lke their counterparts across the aisle. >> again, let me say that if you want to, if they want to be an echo instead of an opposition. they can do that. nobody is going to go for the fake imitation. democrats are professionals about big korbel government -- porkbarrel government. instead of the cheap imitation of the republicans trying to be like barack obama. charles: some republicans have done a pretty go
, they're going to make a deal in washington. i lived inside the beltway, have a pretty good network inside the beltway. cantor is worried -- excuse me, not cantor, boehner is worried about not being reelected as speaker of the house. they can't vote on that until january 4th with the new congress on that. cantor wants that job. so i think boehner's going to press for a deal, i think he's going to go ahead and allow president obama to raise taxes to 39.6%, and i think that'll take the edge off the fiscal cliff. david: let's take this discussion out of the beltway and into the real world. the economy, and, jeff, i want to start with you because you're bullish, but if you're so bullish, hy are you downgrading housing right now? >> because our housing team made a really good call on the housing stocks, and they outran their valuations on a short to intermediate-term basis. they downgraded them about two months ago. liz: okay, so where's the money? show it to us. >> i like just about everything except consumer staples. i think industrials look good, i think they are the new consumer sta
in washington. speak up for the fiscal cliff is part of the half trillion dollars in cuts to the pentagon. the defense has been saying we will not plan for sequestration's because they don't want to be cautious because it is like a gun to the head. they're now looking into planning for this because we are getting pretty late, and that may become a reality. back to you. melissa: rich edson, thank you so much. lori: let's continue this discussion. it is going to happen, it is exactly what the democrats want. according to scott hodge of the tax foundation. what are some alternatives to raising revenue? joining me with some ideas. to your point, you're written quite extensively on this topic. it seems the economy is poised to fall off the cliff and that's what the democrats and the president wants to happen. >> they want to allow all the bush tax cuts to expire. it happens naturally automatically. they don't even have to vote for it. in january we had to lower taxes for everybody. getting it very simply. lori: a lot of people are concerned. if we do go over the cliff, there's no resolution fo
. in the "moneyline" tonight, a stalemate in washington d.c. wall street's back today. the balance squeaking out of four. gain. s&p up less than a point, nasdaq slipping lower on the day. volume on th biboard slightly heavier than usual. all the major indexes finied higher for the month. down 71 points. s&p and nasdaq both ended higher. the three biggest winners for the month, cisco systems up to nine 1/4%. home depot, bank of america, both of just above 6%. aaa now urging the environmental protection agency to halt the sales of gas with directional concentrations arguing the fuel blend known as e 15 with an additional 5% ethanol cause engine damage but that is not covered by most car warranties. the epa says cars made after the 2000's one mall can handle that fuel brand. triple late shows 95 percent of carsmade before 2012 will not. up next, president obama meeting with everyone about the fiscal cliff, everyone except for the leaders in washington d.c. for the republican party. we will share ourist of people that the president might also want to think about sitting down with. it might have just
to the earthquake up couple years ago that was not much damage. what if it wiped out york and washington? it will work when nothing else does. others would have been knocked off. john: you'll learn about it from tv and radio. i learned about it now. >> i have a battery operated radio. >> the anchor man says this happened. >> this is a boondoggle. and you guys never stop. >> make sure the public remains safe. >> 12 hours after the storm began it look like the emergency alert because take shelter now. 12 hours into the storm i am not personally directing it at you this is government thinking spend the money for a second to rate stuff. >> you mentioned of local alert. we have to and include training for emergency workers say you are right. 12 hours is not acceptable that was a failure but to still have dealer system i appreciate the fact i got the alert that said take cover. john: thank you jamie barnett. my government projects may from dangerous chemicals. base steady if this dangerous to wash your hands with this so poor brush with this toothpaste. their conclusion? you will be amazed. on
enterprise in the past but he is out now saying there is lot of mythology in washington. going on to say the vast majority of jobs in the united states are produced by capital investment and equipment and software, not small business. it is done by big business. and he is trying to make the point that there's a lot mythology in washington about rising taxes, eliminating jobs. that it is just not the case. i'm, catherine, do you believe he believes this? and do you think he is saying it to try and, you know, toe the party line and make everyone happy? >> well, i can't speak for him but i'm going to respectfully disagree. according to the u.s. department of labor, 65% of all net new jobs comes from small businesses. i don't know where he gets his facts ups store, competitor of fedex. they opened 100 new locations. each location hires three to five employees. that is 300 to 500 new jobs from small businesses. i don't know that fedex hired that many people this year. melissa: you know fred smith? what do you think about this comment? >> well, first of all i've known fred for i don't know, 30
still does not ge washington to give up some bank. 42 needed millions dollars for hurricane sandy relief. similar requests likely coming from governors in new jersey and connecttcut. who all together want this all too dumbing figure in post hurricane help, a hundred billion bucks, i don't know if they get all of it, but i think they get most, here is why americans, have big hearts, folks need help. they need a lot, many still without power, and without homes and without patience or hope, something needs to be done. judging from t back slapping help politicians, the governmt is still the one to do it but is it? think about it. if the road to virtue were paved with billion dollar bills then everyone in washington would be thpope, news flash, they are not, they are not good as getting bang for their buck. think of all those gas taxes that were to pay for those bridges, or tolls of no bridges to payor fixing those bridges, and highways. think about that social security lockbox. no box, no lock. and millions in lottery ticket to go to education to make our kids smarter, today, sadly, they are
to drum up support among the public. not in washington or with congress or the senate. here is what he had to say. it is not acceptable to me, and i do not think it is acceptable to you for a handful of republicans icongress will middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks go up. gerri: it sounds like the same old, same d. the president has been making the same comments agagain. is this any way to sell a plan? >> there really is not. the president is not being serious about this. the fact that the president is out there campaigning on this rather than negotiating, it means that those that are negotiating, such as secretary geithner, they probably don't feel bound by what the president is saying. this is the first gammons and certainly not a serious offer. >> mitch mcconnell laughed out loud on camera at the plant. what do you make of that? >> he had every reason to. let's look at this plan for what it is. a massive tax hike. instead of offering tax hikes, which is something that republicans have been mandated, he wants more spending and he's
are going to start with breaking news from washington, d.c. leaders from both sides trying to reach a deal. reach edson with the very latest. rich: $800 billion in revenue increases through a tax overhaul. republicans are still opposed to any tax rate increases in this plan. in a show bipartisanship, republicans say they have co-opt these details from a plant bernsen bowls offered last year. in this letter to the president, republican leaders right this is by no means an adequate long-term solution. it will require fundamental entitlement reform. indeed, though both plant is the exact type of imperfect, but fair one without hurting our economy and creating jobs. today, the white house has demanded an offer from republicans. they now have one. back to you. llri: rich edson, and he thinks. the market is taking a breather today. dupont and 3m are the biggest draggers on the dow. early stocks rising out of the gate out of some good news out of china over the night. hitting a seven month high, but then the u.s. isf number hit at 10:00 a.m. eastern and a wave of selling. manufacturing activity c
days in selling. down arrows for the nasdaq. down 1.1%. connell: breaking news out of washington. earlier, speaker boehner speaking about the fiscal cliff. now it is president obama. let's listen. >> we have emerged not yet where we need to be, but we certainly have made progress. the reason we have made progress in part is because of the outstanding management and productivity and gains and efficiencies that you have been able to achieve in each and every one of your companies. i have said this to some of the small groups, let me repeat it to the large groups, i am passionately rooting for your success. if the companies in this room are doing well, then, small businesses and medium size businesses up and down the chain are doing well. if companies in this room are doing well, then, folks get jobs, consumers get confidence and we will be able to compete around the world. now, the good news is, despite the extraordinary challenges we have seen over the last four years, there is progress in some key sectors of our economy. we have seen housing finally begin to bounce back for the f
is unserious. this is washington, back to you. liz: we have a lower third banner that says we can probably solve this in a week according to the president. >> if he said if republicans relent on raising tax rates on $250,000 per year. david: always the question of if you'll take over the power, rich edson is they're following it all for us. coming up, more on what is happening in washington, the chief number cruncher on the heritage foundation here to tell us why they're increasing taxes 25%. liz: pandora shareholders may be singing the blues after the stock plummeted 20% at one point today after beating earnings estimates but admitting it will swing to a loss. ask any internet radio pioneer and ceo joe kennedy why he is whistling a much better tune despite that. next. liz: to remember yesterday pandora got smacked in the after-hours. not singing a great tune and all, humbled 17% following the earnings release while most numbers came in above analyst estimates it was a guidance well below what many were hoping for. the stock suffered a number of price talks, but did not get a lot of downgr
. stuart: i won't do it to you. thank you. washington state and colorado bill to legalize marijuana for recreational use, but the feds say not so fast. tommy chong to as the company later this hour. does he think federal agents will intervene? another obama carry current forces chain restaurants to post calorie counts on their menus. that will cost the chain like tom as billions of dollars. the company ceo says, there are 303 million ways serious, 303 million ways to sell a domino's pizza. coming of the way to put calories and a menu for 303 million varieties is a little difficult to read what you make of this? >> news flash, pizza has a lot of calories. you can find this information out on google. anybody who is dying like to try to knows about calories. what did they have to posted in the restaurant? you can easily get that information elsewhere. stuart: why is this requirement in obamacare? what has the killer accountant to do with my health care delivery system? >> this might be an attempt to preventive medicine. stuart: that's your rationale? that's all you have to say? >> a dr
. >> arthel: i'm arthel neville. stalemate in washington with exactly one month to go 'til america is hit by huge tax hikes and spending cuts. finding out where the negotiations stand. >> rick: plus, talk of a republican rebound, we'll speak with some young party leaders who are very enthusiastic about the future and we'll ask them how they plan to prove the republican party is a party for everyone. >> arthel: and as the holidays draw near, we check in on the victims of hurricane sandy. how they're surviving, plus an international story of americans who know all too well what they're going through and are now lending a helping hand. >> rick: we begin with a fox news extreme weather alert out of northern california. they're now being slammed there by another in a series of severe storms that have already killed one person. the region already dealing with flash floods, mud slides, downed trees, power lines. people there say they've never seen anything like it. >> i haven't seen this in many years. this much water running through my property. that water runup should not come on our property.
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condition in washington where both parties, particularly the democrats are failing to come up with reasonable tax reform. stuart: but you've got a smile on your base because now i'm right. jim singel, founder of costco pays himself $7 a share and borrows the money to do it he's a huge obama supporter. >> well, now that's a different kettle of fish, stuart. borrowing money that they don't have in their kitty to pay a dividend to reduce tax, that's tax manipulation. stuart: which a tax which he favors and went to the democratic convention and argued for. >> i can't efend him, his company or his actions, but i can tell you, stuart, this is a reason why our political system is letting down ordinary people because it does allow the wealthy empowered take advantage of a system because the elites are not solving our problems. stuart: well, the elite never solve our problems, you know that. >> sometimes they do. >> no, no, no, what you're saying it's a back door argument for tax the rich. >> it's actually a back door argument for reducing taxes, limiting deductions and having a ratio
. >> is there a window of political opportunity right now in washington after this election to change the footing we decided on after 9/11? some of the stuff the president carried over? >> indisputingablindisputably. that's what people are hopeful abo about. is this going to be a predicate? an opportunity for the president now that he doesn't have to stand for reelection? to do some things people hoped he would have done in his first term. certainly shut down guantanamo. there are clear issues here of the presidency hopefully snapping back into the shape it had prior to 9/11. that's the hope of lots of constitutional scholars. it has not done that up to now. most of the powers granted or obtained by the bush administration have conveyed, if you will, to the obama administration. so the question is this the beginning of the president creating a new normal, as johnson says, in which we are not in a state of war and the president is not executing war powers in a consistent and endless way? >> ron, you are a student of leadership, both a student of good leadership and bad leadership. i feel like leaders
in the washington post today calls for an end or at least limits on the deductible for charitable deductions. overwhelmingly the deduction benefits of the wealthy and the rest of the country has to make up the gap. of course it benefits the wealthy,,but not as much as it benefits the charity is my point. and the president's proposal includes, this is the president higher taxes on wealthy for income dividends, and a slew of new taxes as part of obamacare. >> here is what speaker boehner said on taxes. >> the day after the election, i the cameras and made clear that republicans were willing to ut revenue on the table if there were serious spenddng cuts and reforms put in place. we've talked about them. the president and the white house have had three weeks and this is the best we've got? >> so, it's all taxes and all raising taxes, no worries, there are serious proposal or even talk about reforming entitlesments, talks have gone nowhere, we're weeks from january 1st the fiscal cliff deadline. at least we're not stuck on the road to moscow. take a look at video out of russia, thousands of driv
if we're going to see that sense of brotherhood or sisterhood any time soon in washington. i'm still convinced they are not going to come to an agreement on the fiscal cliff unless compelled to do so by an adverse external event like a sharply lower equity market. lou: and is, you know, i can't imagine a market ever going down as john is suggesting here simply because a government chooses not to function. >> well, if it means we're headed into recession, the markets will react. in a typical bear market, stocks sell off by 20%. it's great to have a compromise before the year end, but time is running out. it's not possible. lou: how is it that a treasury secretary responsible for the integrity of the markets, the currency, responsible, indeed, for the financial system of this country, largely, broadly, and internationally, would sink to the level of a political operative making statements about we're going over the fiscal cliff and we're ready to go. >> the president put him in charge of the negotiations from his point of view. lou: clever. >> he's wearing two hats at this point in tim
deduction on charitable contributions. here's what fred hyatte wrote in the washington post. overwhelmingly the deduction benefits the wealthy and the rest of the country has to make up the gap. of course it helps the wealthy, but it does a lot more good for the charities and the people they benefit, doesn't it? how much would worthy charities be hurt if the deduction was limittd? we will ask the head of the charity navigator on this program today. that's at 10:33. the charitable deduction discussed here. did you ever text something that you wish you could delete forever? yes, i have. new at 10:00, for you right now, local police want a law requiring text messages to be saved for two years. all rise, the judge is here. by the way, look at page 278 of this book, theodore and woodrow, how two american presidents destroyed constitutional freedom which is -- okay, okay. >> is that the only page worth reading, page 278? stuart: as a matter of fact is. [laughter] >> you're a literary critic now. stuart: this is a privacy issue, isn't it? >> sure, it is a privacy issue. it is pretty unusual that t
as large concerned given the situation in washington a little bit of optimism over taking the picture. let's look at the dow 30, intel at the top. paul otellini said the new intel chief would most likely come from inside the company. intel up nearly 2%. that has always been the way at intel. they promote from within so clearly investors like that. cisco another decent name up 1%. no real news other than bargain hunting. we have amex and united health as the weak links. central-bank president mario draghi put it damper on what could have been a strong rally saying weakness in the euro zone is expected to continue for a while. it has been going on for quite some time. don't know why that is a surprise to the market. that means for the next couple years would central-bank is also cutting their 2013 forecasts for the region. the wild swings in apple just over the past couple days, yesterday apple tanked suffering its worst day in four years. today a tiny bit of a reprieve from the selling. noticed a sharp reversal at 10:00 this morning. buyers stepping in, all kinds of sound bites from tim coo
. "washington post," new york times, one or two times at most that they had ever used it prior to that. john: what is the agenda? >> well, always the activists who are pushing against the food in general. what happened was this comes from a movie. a lot of the bad things in society come from movies. shooting to put out by participant media so there were so proud of this process just amazing to look at. thee let these people and the videotape. you don't dare let anybody videotape anything because they demonized. john: the company closed three out of four plants, laid-off workers. >> in the economic down is far worse than that. john: has not been a single incident of anybody being hurt. and what the industry calls it is just lean beef trimmings or finely textured. no slimyhan other parts of beef. >> the company here has received awards for how good a job they do for consumer safety. it was just one constant is a job. john: and that the company is suing bc. i don't like that. that is saying we disagree and you should just shut up. there ought to be some other way to fight back. but the free spe
. that is not enough to close the gap . washington post on the editorial page. we looked at what the president suggested and republicans suggested it is nice that they are starting to talk. but the numbers have to be a lot bigger . you need real tax reform. >> gretchen: he won the election with that argument. >> steve: republicans won the congress with their argument that they didn't want to raise the rates. >> brian: if you want to know what the president things. you can go flip channels and find out about the briefing and the president's stance on taxes and goal with the economy and maybe what he will say in the inauguration. look who was invited to the white house >> chris: who was left to run msnbc. >> happy and ed and arihanna huffington. i don't know if the white house released the fact. but someone from the blog sites saw it. and so wait a minute what is going on. yeah, we were invited for not a strategy but just to explain. >> gretchen: i don't know why anybody. >> brian: five talk show hosts in from the same channel? that is outrageous. >> gretchen: it might be outrageous. i am not su
. timothy depite gite saying we'll raise taxes 1.6 trillion and washington will increase taxes on capitol gains and we would like to say we like the power to raise the debt ceiling any time we want for the executive branch which is unconstitutional. >> steve: it is not 39 or 35 percent. all nonstarters in the world of negotiation. >> gretchen: two things to discuss. why is it tim geithner doing the discussions inted of the president of the united states. let me know if you have an answer for that. and the reason they are asking for this stuff. this is the way negotiations work when you win the presidency. you are walking around with your chest puffed up. this week, nothing will happen. until you cum come up right to the cliff. >> brian: this president is making a mockery of negotiations. he offered a initial trike with under 30 days until the cliff happens . sos the unserious attempt to get anything done. republicans ippedicated we will raise revenue. but the nuggets that are inside and his decision to go to pennsylvania and talk to a tinker toy and scrooge and coal in your pocket is an i
giving more money to the least competent people in america, the politicians in washington. you're talking about giving them the extra money so they could have bigger government. the fact that they're taking that money frommus in a less bad way i suppose that is good news but we're still taking one step after another in the wrong direction. at the end of that journey the destination is greece or spain or italy. melissa: right. >> we have to figure out how to get control of intitlements. the while house refuses to have adult conversation about that. melissa: neither of these proposals, neither side gets us closer to closing the enormous gap you're talking about. i say over and over again and if this was your household and bills were so far out of line with what the revenue was you could get very serious very quickly. these people do not seem to do that. for republicans is it looking more and more palatable to go over the cliff at this point? >> depends on how dogmatic obama is. like selling a car on craig's list and put it up for 5,000 and really take 4500. someone offers you 4,000. this is
. the 10-year projections. when was last time in washington 10-year spending projections actually came in at or below what the projections were meant to be? it never happens. same is true on the revenue side with taxes. i think the numbers we're laying out here are probably the quote, unquote best-case scenario in terms of what could actually happen. just in terms of the pure math. not in terms whether or not it is good policy, just in terms of pure math. one reason going over the cliff looks more attractive in terms of bottom line numbers because there is that huge tax number. now, there are all sorts of reasons beyond that --. melissa: why is that, to raise that much revenue and give it to the government? i don't understand why that is appealing? >> it is not appealing to me. melissa: okay. >> it would be ap peeling from a math perspective because the number is bigger. but the problem is, the number won't be that big no matter what happens. you can talk about dynamic scoring. look at different ways revenue won't be revenue it is projected to be. you're talking about something that wo
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